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Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 16:56:00 - [1] here's an idea: only abandoned wrecks should be allowed to be salvaged by anyone and once the owner leaves the room all wrecks become abandoned. everything else should be considered stealing.
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:20:00 - [2] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 30/03/2011 17:16:00 Originally by: Johnny Lou here's an idea: only abandoned wrecks should be allowed to be salvaged by anyone and once the owner leaves the room all wrecks become abandoned. Better idea: earn your salvage like everyone else and stop complaining about how the game doesn't give you stuff for free. Where exactly did you see complains in my post??? And how come you get to decide whether or not I've earned my salvage?
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 30/03/2011 17:35:43 Originally by: Johnny Lou Where exactly did you see complains in my post??? Here: "only abandoned wrecks should be allowed to be salvaged by anyone". That's a suggestion (or an opinion, if you wish), not a complaint. If you can't make the difference maybe you shouldn't post (that's another opinion, in case you're wondering) So, go back to school (advice) and please stop wasting my time (request). NO complains. Get it? Got it? Good!
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 30/03/2011 18:08:28 Originally by: Johnny Lou That's a suggestion No. Here's a word for you to learn: implicit. Here's one for you: assumption I thought I asked you to stop wasting my time...
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Johnny Lou Here's one for you: assumption So why do you want to change something that's not a problem? Just because ccp makes a decision doesn't mean it's always the smart one or that it never gets out of date. tbh, I'd rather see ccp implement more scram frigs that warp in and scram any ship that comes after the initial ship. your turn: Why do you want to keep it? (please keep in mind that the current implementation was done before the "abandon wrecks" option was introduced)
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Johnny Lou Just because ccp makes a decision doesn't mean it's always the smart one or that it never gets out of date. Agreed. Wrecks should be completely free for all (to loot, tractor, salvage, blow up, whathaveyou) ù no ownership at all. Mission runners would no longer have anything to complain about and they make more than enough ISK as it is. The decision CCP made to include the loot as part of the rewards is outdated. It would also remove the need for an "abandon wreck" option. ONLY if a group of ships warps in and scrams and attacks anyone and everyone who comes in after the first ship. So, Everyone who comes in the room gets scrammed and aggro. If you bring help in the mission they'd better be ready to fight, if you bring a salvage ship you'd better be ready to defend it, if you warp to someone running a mission to salvage you'd better be ready to stand your ground and fight in order to get to that wreck. Salvaging without aggro should only be possible when all npc's in the room are dead. No one should be able to salvage unchallenged (and I don't mean a race to see who is the faster salvager)
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Hepzibah Mariana People like to complain about this a lot. People need to start reading the stickies and doing a tiny amount of research. Especially this part: "1) This is a breeding ground for ideas. If someone has an idea, listen to it. If you don't like it, think about why. Constructive feedback is good. Posting "That's an awful idea," is not constructive."
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Johnny Lou Salvaging without aggro should only be possible when all npc's in the room are dead. Why? Oh, and why do you want to change something that's not a problem? Quote: No one should be able to salvage unchallenged So make wrecks free for all. Solves everything. For a few minutes I actually thought you might be able to say something smart for a change.. Obviously that's not going to happen. oh well..
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Tippia So you cannot think of a single reason why it should change (otherwise, you would obviously have presented it, rather than going for the ad hominem). Well, as long as we're clear on that. Actually, I can. I just don't like the way you ask and especially the way you twist my words.
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.31 07:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia the ninjas unquestionably have put in far more effort to earn it. Actually, they haven't... So, I guess your statement is not as unquestionable as you would like to believe.

Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.31 11:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 31/03/2011 11:30:19 Originally by: Johnny Lou Actually, they haven't... Actually, they have ù you've just not thought about the effort required. What does a non-ninja have to do? 1. Learn the salvaging skill. 2. Optionally learn science (for a tractor beam). 3. Optionally approach wreck (need is determined in part by step 2 above). 4. Activate salvager. What does a ninja have to do? 1. Learn the salvaging skill. 2. Learn the probing skills. 3. Learn how to actually probe. 4. Use a combination of probes and directional scans to find a good wreck field. 5. Warp to said field (and hope it's not gone by the time (s)he gets there). 6. Approach each wreck individually (no tractoring possible). 7. Activate salvager. So yes, the ninja has put a fair bit more effort into it. Actually, the non-ninja has to 1. Train skills for decent ships 2. Train skills for decent guns 3. Train skills for drones 4. Train social skills 5. Run l1 missions to raise standings 6. Move to l2 agent 7. Run l2 missions to raise standings 8. Move to l3 agent 9. Run l3 missions to raise standings 10. Move all ships (by now you need more than one) to l4 agent 11. Run L4 missions 12. Learn the salvaging skill. 13. Learn science for tractors 14. Kill rats without loosing the ship 15. Activate salvager OR You can become a ninja and replace the first 14 steps with the 6 you mentioned. You're wasting my time again. Didn't I ask you to stop that?
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.31 13:36:00 - [12] Originally by: shadowace00007 Let me introduce you to the answer to your problem. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Vargur http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kronos http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Paladin http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Golem To sum it up. use the right ship for the right job. Sadly, there isn't a drone boat marauder. And there's a very good chance everyone will start screaming "we have noctis, stop wasting dev's time with this" if anyone tries to suggest one
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.31 14:04:00 - [13] Originally by: shadowace00007 Be a man and stop making your drones do all the work =) also drone boat mission runners have no say in this matter. I say again "your taking to long" Drones do not clear missions out quickly. you need to use a combo of guns and drones to go threw them fast. I used to ninja salvage and when ever I scan down domi's I would scan 2 or three more people down and they would STILL be in the first room. I like the drone style game play (a good tank that takes it's time to get the job done). How fast drones finish a mission is not an issue for me, I'm in no rush.. If I was, I'd choose a different ship . Still, the tractor bonus, some extra cap (for salvagers and tractors) and maybe a few extra highslots (but no extra turret/launchers hardpoints) would be nice. And, I enjoy having my "minions" do the "dirty work" for me
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.04.01 09:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 31/03/2011 12:31:00 Originally by: Johnny Lou Actually, the non-ninja has to No. He doesn't. None of what you listed before #12 is required to be a salvager. Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Stop posting and go back to school. At least until you stop believing in fairy tales and unicorns and l4 mission wrecks that appear in EVE through... "mmmmagic!"... There's no such thing, OK If you don't believe me, start the game, go in a system that has been uninhabited for the past 4 hours and spend around 6 hours in that system ALONE using only your super duper "combination of probes and directional scans to find a good wreck field" from ships that were l4 mission NPC's before they exploded and then come back and let us know how many wrecks you found. OK? Whatever you salvage from those wrecks I will double it, I promise. Run along now, stop bothering these nice folks here. Go on, shoo.
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia Let me repeat that: salvaging is not the same thing as misison-running. I have no idea why you would want to repeat that, especially since I never said it was Originally by: Tippia I haven't bothered any nice folks here, only you. Oh, don't be silly... To me you're not a bother; more like a pet I get to kick every once in a while just to see it jump it's a lot of fun. (I can see why you like trolling so much) Normally, I prefer civilized and constructive conversations but, since you've proven more than once that you're incapable of doing that, I'll settle for giving you a light kick when I have the time and then just sit back and watch you jump. I especially enjoyed the part where you mentioned that you teach political science... That's not what I meant when I said "go back to school" But it does explain why your logic is such a mess and why you are so good at twisting words; you are obviously very good at it so why don't you stick to that and leave logic to the rest of us. OK
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.04.02 15:44:00 - [16] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Johnny Lou I have no idea why you would want to repeat that, especially since I never said it was Yes you did. By adding points 1û11 on your list of what salvagers need to do, that's exactly what you did. 1-11 are for l4 mission running and 1-15 are for l4 mission NPC salvage As you can see, I never claimed they were the same. Originally by: Tippia And you agree with me, since you have no argument to the contrary that is an argument from ignorance. Originally by: Tippia and have to resort to ad hominems instead. which is exactly what you did here: Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 30/03/2011 17:16:00 Originally by: Johnny Lou here's an idea: only abandoned wrecks should be allowed to be salvaged by anyone and once the owner leaves the room all wrecks become abandoned. Better idea: earn your salvage like everyone else and stop complaining about how the game doesn't give you stuff for free. Subtle, but still applies. By the way, that is also a spotlight fallacy and can be considered an appeal to ridicule (red herring) as well. I presented an alternative in a civilized manner, you decided to step over the lines, I said "two can play that game" (ad hominem tu quoque). But, since CCP decided to step in, I will stop here. cya.

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